# temperature of two-phase flow

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farhad posted this 03 December 2019

Hello every one
I’m trying to simulate evaporation of R410a in fluent.
These are some information about my case:
A 2-d axisymmetric smooth tube,
Refrigerant enters to the tube, diameter=9.52mm & length = 3000mm
inlet vapor quality = 0.2
Constant heat flux on the wall = 15 kw/m2
VOF multi-phase model,
turbulence model: k-e standard,
transient method, & time step = 1e-04
I put the liquid and vapor state of R410 in fluent material library. I used DuPont released information of R410.
when I plot temperature in outflow, there is a huge increment in temperature of mixture while the vapor quality is 0.4, it means that before all refrigerant transfer to vapor, the temperature began to increase, & as all we know that is impossible in reality.
Actually I repeated the simulation with water liquid and vapor instead of R410, but the result was same.
Does anyone have any idea why is this happening?
regards

rwoolhou posted this 03 December 2019

If you're using VOF the inlet flow must be stratified.  Check that (and post images).

farhad posted this 04 December 2019

i did simulation with all three methods (VOF, Mixture & Eulerian) and in all cases, I put "Mass Flow Inlet" as inlet boundary condition, so base on the vapor quality, an individual mass flow for each phase has set for.

abenhadj posted this 04 December 2019

Best regards,

Amine

abenhadj posted this 04 December 2019

And what is the temperature at inlet ? Do you have any phase transfer model? Provide these info

Best regards,

Amine

farhad posted this 04 December 2019

And what is the temperature at inlet ? Do you have any phase transfer model? Provide these info

inlet temperature = 268.15 k = -5 c

i use volume of fluid (VOF) model.

in phase interaction and under "mass" tab i select "evaporation-condensation", and finally put 268.15 (constant) as saturation temperature.

farhad posted this 04 December 2019

In fact  I think this problem refer to importing R410a in fluent.

whats the best way to import refrigerants like R410a (saturated liquid & vapor) in fluent for multi-phase simulation?

abenhadj posted this 04 December 2019

In fact  I think this problem refer to importing R410a in fluent.

whats the best way to import refrigerants like R410a (saturated liquid & vapor) in fluent for multi-phase simulation?

Here I recommend using Alternative Energy Treatment, using the Lee Model with PTL table where you import saturation temperature, pressure and Latent Heat. The rest of the material by just changing the material properties.

So you are starting from saturated conditions right? What is now the problem? You might be aware that you are now in your setup neglegting the subgrid effect of boiling at wall.

Best regards,

Amine

farhad posted this 04 December 2019

In fact  I think this problem refer to importing R410a in fluent.

whats the best way to import refrigerants like R410a (saturated liquid & vapor) in fluent for multi-phase simulation?

Here I recommend using Alternative Energy Treatment, using the Lee Model with PTL table where you import saturation temperature, pressure and Latent Heat. The rest of the material by just changing the material properties.

So you are starting from saturated conditions right? What is now the problem? You might be aware that you are now in your setup neglegting the subgrideffect of boiling at wall.

at inlet, vapor has the quality of 20%.

my problem is that when there is still some liquid in the tube we don't have to observe any increment in temperature, but in my case the mixture of phases have an increasing in temperature about 20 degrees.

abenhadj posted this 04 December 2019

What about the superheated steam? If you want to deal with heat resistances then use thermal phase change.

Best regards,

Amine

farhad posted this 07 December 2019

What about the superheated steam? If you want to deal with heat resistances then use thermal phase change.

I'm using VOF model for phase change & "Thermal Phase Change" method could be enabled under "Eulerian" model. this means that you propose to use Eulerian instead of VOF?

abenhadj posted this 07 December 2019

Steam after being formed will be heated. That explains for me the temperature increase. There is no complete evaporation in your system.

What I proposed is a better model but requires more knowledge and babysitting.

Vof model for homogeneous mixture dims anyhow wrong but okay if you are using first order schemes fir BOF equation. You can use mixture model with SBM to account for subgrid effects.

Best regards,

Amine

farhad posted this 07 December 2019

Here I recommend using Alternative Energy Treatment, using the Lee Model with PTL table where you import saturation temperature, pressure and Latent Heat. The rest of the material by just changing the material properties.

So you are starting from saturated conditions right? What is now the problem? You might be aware that you are now in your setup neglegting the subgrid effect of boiling at wall.

Would you please be more specific about "Alternative Energy Treatment"? I don't know what is "Alternative Energy Treatment" & how i can use it.

Thanks for helping me

abenhadj posted this 07 December 2019

Search it in the manual. If you still have questions come back again.

Best regards,

Amine

farhad posted this 08 December 2019

Search it in the manual. If you still have questions come back again.

I'm sorry Abenhadj but there is no phrase like "Alternative Energy Treatment" in user manual or even in the web!

farhad posted this 09 December 2019

Steam after being formed will be heated. That explains for me the temperature increase. There is no complete evaporation in your system. What I proposed is a better model but requires more knowledge and babysitting. Vof model for homogeneous mixture dims anyhow wrong but okay if you are using first order schemes fir BOF equation. You can use mixture model with SBM to account for subgrid effects.

another question: "SBM" & "BOF" are abbreviation of what phrases?

abenhadj posted this 09 December 2019

Semi mechanistic boiling. with bof I meant vof.

Best regards,

Amine